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02/23/2015 01:00 PM House RESOURCES



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01:34:06 PM Overview(s): Arctic National Wildlife Refuge by the Department of Natural Resources and the Department of Revenue
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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE RESOURCES STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                       February 23, 2015                                                                                        
                           1:32 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Benjamin Nageak, Co-Chair                                                                                        
Representative David Talerico, Co-Chair                                                                                         
Representative Bob Herron                                                                                                       
Representative Craig Johnson                                                                                                    
Representative Kurt Olson                                                                                                       
Representative Paul Seaton                                                                                                      
Representative Andy Josephson                                                                                                   
Representative Geran Tarr                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Mike Hawker, Vice Chair                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
OVERVIEW(S):  ARCTIC NATIONAL WILDLIFE REFUGE BY THE DEPARTMENT                                                                 
OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND THE DEPARTMENT OF REVENUE                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN MAGEE, Statewide ANILCA Program Coordinator                                                                               
Office of Project Management & Permitting                                                                                       
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided an overview of the provisions of                                                                
ANILCA that are relevant to the recently released Arctic                                                                        
National Wildlife Refuge Revised Management Plan.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
PAUL DECKER, Acting Director, Petroleum Geologist                                                                               
Division of Oil & Gas                                                                                                           
Department of Natural Resources (DNR)                                                                                           
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT:  Provided a PowerPoint overview of potential                                                              
oil and gas development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
KEN ALPER, Director                                                                                                             
Tax Division                                                                                                                    
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Provided a  PowerPoint presentation  about                                                             
revenue  potential  to the  State  of  Alaska  from oil  and  gas                                                               
development in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
DAN STICKEL, Assistant Chief Economist                                                                                          
Tax Division                                                                                                                    
Department of Revenue (DOR)                                                                                                     
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   Answered questions  regarding the  revenue                                                             
potential from  oil and  gas development  in the  Arctic National                                                               
Wildlife Refuge.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:32:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  BENJAMIN NAGEAK  called  the  House Resources  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  1:32 p.m.  Representatives Herron,                                                               
Tarr,  Johnson, Josephson,  Olson, Seaton,  Talerico, and  Nageak                                                               
were present at the call to order.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
^OVERVIEW(S):  Arctic National Wildlife  Refuge by the Department                                                               
of Natural Resources and the Department of Revenue                                                                              
                          OVERVIEW(S):                                                                                      
  Arctic National Wildlife Refuge by the Department of Natural                                                              
            Resources and the Department of Revenue                                                                         
                                                                                                                              
1:34:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR NAGEAK announced  that the only order of  business is an                                                               
overview  of potential  oil  and gas  development  in the  Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife  Refuge by the Department  of Natural Resources                                                               
and the Department of Revenue.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:35:20 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSAN  MAGEE, Statewide  ANILCA  Program  Coordinator, Office  of                                                               
Project Management & Permitting,  Department of Natural Resources                                                               
(DNR), said she represents a  small group of state employees from                                                               
various departments who work diligently  to review federal plans,                                                               
policies, and regulations to ensure  the provisions of the Alaska                                                               
National Interest  Lands Conservation Act  (ANILCA) appropriately                                                               
recognize  and protect  state interests.   She  said she  will be                                                               
providing  an  overview of  the  provisions  of ANILCA  that  are                                                               
relevant  to  the  recently  released  Arctic  National  Wildlife                                                               
Refuge  Revised Management  Plan, which  is the  vehicle for  the                                                               
Wilderness and  Wild and Scenic  River recommendations  that were                                                               
recently announced by the President of the United States.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MAGEE related  that ANILCA  was passed  by Congress  in 1980                                                               
after  extensive  debates  and  a  series  of  compromises.    It                                                               
designated  or expanded  over 100  million acres  of conservation                                                               
system units  (CSUs) and  other conservation  designations across                                                               
the  state.    It  more  than  doubled  the  National  Wilderness                                                               
Preservation  System (NWPS),  it  designated 26  Wild and  Scenic                                                               
Rivers, it  identified 12  additional study  rivers, and  it gave                                                               
the  U.S.  Department of  Interior  a  three-year time  limit  to                                                               
follow up with  recommendations on those.  It also  allowed for a                                                               
one-time  follow  up  Wilderness  review  of  areas  not  already                                                               
designated  for potential  recommendation.   This applied  to the                                                               
National  Park  Service (NPS)  and  the  U.S. Fish  and  Wildlife                                                               
Service (USFWS)  and had a  seven-year time limit.   Also, ANILCA                                                               
prohibited   further   studies   for  the   single   purpose   of                                                               
establishing new conservation system  units, commonly referred to                                                               
as the "no more clauses."   Wilderness and Wild and Scenic Rivers                                                               
are  both  defined under  ANICLA  as  conservation system  units.                                                               
Because the  conservation areas were of  such unprecedented size,                                                               
and  to  accommodate  the  state's  developing  economy,  limited                                                               
infrastructure and  distinct rural lifestyles, ANILCA  included a                                                               
number of unprecedented exceptions that are unique to Alaska.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:37:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE  explained the Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge (ANWR)                                                               
was initially  established in  1960 through  a public  land order                                                               
(PLO) as  the Arctic  National Wildlife  Range, and  included the                                                               
Coastal  Plain.   Under ANILCA  the  range was  expanded and  re-                                                               
designated  as  the  Arctic National  Wildlife  Refuge,  and  new                                                               
purposes  were  identified  similar  to  the  majority  of  other                                                               
refuges in  Alaska.  Additionally,  ANILCA designated  the Mollie                                                               
Beattie Wilderness,  an area included  in the original  range; it                                                               
designated three  Wild and Scenic  Rivers; it directed  the study                                                               
of the  Porcupine River  for potential  recommendation as  a Wild                                                               
and  Scenic River;  and it  provided specific  direction for  the                                                               
Coastal Plain  in Section 1002, which  is why the plain  is often                                                               
referred  to as  the  1002  Area.   Under  this section  Congress                                                               
directed the Department  of Interior to conduct  an inventory and                                                               
assessment  of the  fish and  wildlife resources  of the  Coastal                                                               
Plain and an analysis of the  impacts of oil and gas exploration,                                                               
development,  and production.   It  also authorized  oil and  gas                                                               
exploration activities.   The end result of all of  that work was                                                               
a  legislative  environmental  impact  statement  (EIS)  and  the                                                               
Section 1002(h) report, issued in  1987.  It recommended Congress                                                               
authorize  full  leasing of  the  entire  area  for oil  and  gas                                                               
production.   To date,  however, Congress has  not acted  on that                                                               
recommendation.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE said the Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge Comprehensive                                                               
Conservation Plan  (CCP) is  the vehicle  for the  Wilderness and                                                               
Wild  and   Scenic  River  recommendations  that   were  recently                                                               
announced.    The  final CCP  recommends  Congress  designate  as                                                               
Wilderness  nearly the  entire refuge,  including the  1002 Area,                                                               
which in total  is approximately 19 million acres.   The CCP also                                                               
recommends  four  new Wild  and  Scenic  Rivers.   One  of  those                                                               
rivers, the Hulahula,  is in the 1002 Area.   The Atigun River is                                                               
on the western  border of the refuge near the  Dalton Highway and                                                               
the Trans-Alaska  Pipeline System (TAPS).   These recommendations                                                               
can  be forwarded  to Congress  for  action after  the record  of                                                               
decision (ROD) is  signed for the final plan.   There is a 30-day                                                               
hold period which ends 2/26/15.   Then Congress can act to either                                                               
reject or designate  these areas or it can take  no action on the                                                               
recommendations.    The no  action  leaves  everyone in  a  limbo                                                               
status and USFWS  policy will then be relied upon  to protect the                                                               
recommended areas and rivers until Congress does act.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
1:41:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE  pointed out  a number  of issues with  the CCP.   Even                                                               
though  the  recommendations do  not  change  the prohibition  in                                                               
ANILCA  on oil  and gas  production in  the refuge,  and Congress                                                               
would need  to act on  the Wilderness  and Wild and  Scenic River                                                               
recommendations  to  put them  into  effect,  pursuant to  agency                                                               
policy  the  areas and  rivers  now  have a  special  recommended                                                               
status that can affect a variety  of uses and activities on lands                                                               
within  and   adjacent  to  the   refuge.    For   example,  that                                                               
recommended status  sends a clear  message to Congress  making it                                                               
more  difficult  to authorize  oil  and  gas development  in  the                                                               
Coastal Plain.   Also within  the refuge, permits  for commercial                                                               
recreation guiding activities may be  more limited or have permit                                                               
stipulations to protect wilderness  character or values.  Outside                                                               
the refuge  the USFWS  provides input  through the  1969 National                                                               
Environmental  Policy  Act  (NEPA)  process  on  the  impacts  of                                                               
development  projects  occurring  on  adjacent  lands  to  refuge                                                               
resources and  values.   For example, the  Point Thomson  oil and                                                               
gas  development EIS  addressed  impacts to  the Arctic  National                                                               
Wildlife  Refuge   and  mitigation  was  initially   based  on  a                                                               
misconception that  the 1002 Area  was part of  a congressionally                                                               
mandated Wilderness Study  Area.  [The state]  corrected that and                                                               
the mitigation  was modified, but  [the state] is  concerned that                                                               
the current recommended status could  affect the Alaska Liquefied                                                               
Natural Gas  (LNG) Project (AK  LNG), which will run  adjacent to                                                               
the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE  said the state's  position on the Wilderness  and Wild                                                               
and Scenic  River reviews is  that the USFWS is  following agency                                                               
policy, not  ANILA.  The  "no more  clause" says no  more studies                                                               
for  the  single  purpose  of   establishing  a  new  CSU  unless                                                               
authorized under ANILCA or another  act of Congress.  The reviews                                                               
authorized  under ANILCA  had time  limits and  Congress has  not                                                               
provided any new directions.   The U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service                                                               
says the  studies do not violate  the "no more clause"  in ANILCA                                                               
if they are  housed within a larger management  plan because that                                                               
gives them more  than one purpose.  But, she  argued, the reviews                                                               
themselves  clearly  state  that  their purpose  is  to  consider                                                               
recommendations to  establish new CSUs.   The USFWS also  says it                                                               
is complying  with ANILCA's  planning requirements  in conducting                                                               
the study,  but ANILCA  only says the  USFWS should  identify and                                                               
describe the  special values  of the refuge,  not study  them for                                                               
potential recommendation.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MAGEE pointed  out that  policy is  not law,  but policy  is                                                               
supposed  to be  based  on law  and the  U.S.  Fish and  Wildlife                                                               
Service's  Alaska policy  on  conducting  Wilderness reviews  was                                                               
reversed  in  the  beginning  of  the  Arctic  planning  process,                                                               
without consultation with the state  or Native interests and also                                                               
no public review  even though its policy  on directives indicates                                                               
there should  have been.   She noted  that USFWS policy  now says                                                               
Wilderness  reviews   will  be   conducted  in  all   future  CCP                                                               
revisions,  so it  will apply  to the  Yukon Flats,  Yukon Delta,                                                               
Alaska Maritime,  and Izembek  refuges.   The revised  plans will                                                               
also include Wild and Scenic River reviews.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:44:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE  stated another issue is  that the CCP did  not look at                                                               
oil and  gas development alternatives  because the USFWS  said it                                                               
did not have authority to  authorize oil and gas activities, even                                                               
though  the same  can be  said for  the Wilderness  and Wild  and                                                               
Scenic River  reviews and the  USFWS doesn't think  ANILCA limits                                                               
the agency in  that regard.  Additionally, while  the revised CCP                                                               
references the  Section 1002(h) report,  it does  not acknowledge                                                               
the actual recommendations.   The U.S. Fish  and Wildlife Service                                                               
also indicates it intends to  manage recommended areas and rivers                                                               
under the minimal  management category.  [The  state] still feels                                                               
this is  problematic because the Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge                                                               
revised CCP  provides a  more restrictive  overarching management                                                               
framework that  promotes a wilderness-like  experience regardless                                                               
of  whether or  not  the  Wilderness and  Wild  and Scenic  River                                                               
recommendations are acted upon.   Also, minimal management, which                                                               
is  already   the  most  restrictive  category   other  than  the                                                               
Wilderness  and   Wild  and  Scenic  River   categories  is  more                                                               
restrictive in the revised CCP.   For example, public use cabins,                                                               
which are allowed  by ANILCA in designated  Wilderness for health                                                               
and  safety  purposes,   will  not  be  allowed   or  even  given                                                               
consideration  anywhere in  the Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge                                                               
under minimal management.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MAGEE related another issue  is that the Alaska Department of                                                               
Fish & Game (ADF&G) is  concerned the more restrictive, hands off                                                               
management approach  in the CCP,  in combination with  some other                                                               
regulatory    wildlife    related   changes    currently    under                                                               
consideration  by  the  USFWS, will  impact  ADF&G's  ability  to                                                               
effectively  manage fish  and  wildlife  resources in  accordance                                                               
with the  state constitution and, by  extension, the availability                                                               
of meaningful  harvest opportunities, including  for subsistence.                                                               
Lastly,  future stepdown  management plans  are likely  to impose                                                               
additional  restrictions  on  uses   and  access  in  the  Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife  Refuge.  The CCP  calls for a visitor  use and                                                               
management plan,  a wilderness stewardship  plan, to  begin right                                                               
after the ROD  is signed.  The CCP also  requires Wild and Scenic                                                               
River management  plans for  the three  existing Wild  and Scenic                                                               
Rivers  and  four more  if  Congress  designates the  recommended                                                               
rivers.  It  also calls for an ecological  inventory and monitory                                                               
plan, as well as some other things.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:48:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
PAUL DECKER,  Acting Director,  Petroleum Geologist,  Division of                                                               
Oil  & Gas,  Department of  Natural Resources  (DNR), began  with                                                               
slide  2  of  his  PowerPoint overview  of  the  Arctic  National                                                               
Wildlife Refuge  (ANWR) entitled, "ANWR  1002 Area."   He pointed                                                               
out the refuge is just about the  same size as the state of South                                                               
Carolina,  about 19.8  million  acres.   Within  the refuge,  the                                                               
Coastal Plain, or 1002 Area, is about the same size as Delaware.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER noted  the committee's request was for  him to provide                                                               
before and  after comparisons.   He said  slide 3  depicts refuge                                                               
management under the previous plan  or, in essence, the no action                                                               
alternative.  Under the previous  plan the 1002 Area, outlined by                                                               
the box at the top of  the map, was managed in minimum management                                                               
mode in  contrast to  the Wilderness  area shown  in green.   The                                                               
southern and  southwestern parts  of the  refuge were  in minimal                                                               
management  status  rather  than  Wilderness status.    The  blue                                                               
indicates the Wild and Scenic Rivers that traverse the refuge.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  turned to slide 4  to show what the  refuge will look                                                               
like if the new/current management  plan is adopted.  The Coastal                                                               
Plain  becomes proposed  Wilderness  or  minimal management  with                                                               
Wilderness recommendation, as does  the southern and southwestern                                                               
part of  the refuge.   So, the entire  refuge will be  managed as                                                               
defacto Wilderness  until, and unless, Congress  makes some other                                                               
decision.   Also seen  are the additional  Wild and  Scenic River                                                               
designations, one is  the Hulahula River which  flows through the                                                               
1002 Area.   It  is not only  the 1002 Area  that is  of concern.                                                               
The southwestern  part of  the refuge is  also very  important to                                                               
geologists with the  state and U.S. Geological  Survey (USGS) for                                                               
gaining  access  to  important  outcrops that  can  be  used  for                                                               
studying, evaluating,  and extrapolating information  for beneath                                                               
the  state lands  that  are located  just to  the  north of  that                                                               
southwest portion of the refuge.   This area of state land is the                                                               
mountain front on the east side of  the Haul Road.  So, this is a                                                               
secondary consideration compared to  the potential loss of access                                                               
to the oil and gas lands of the Coastal Plain.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:51:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  drew attention to slide  5 to outline key  moments in                                                               
the 1002 Area's  history.  He said  this list is a  subset of the                                                               
history provided  by Ms. Magee that  is pertinent to the  oil and                                                               
gas activities  and potential of the  area.  He pointed  out that                                                               
Section  1002(a)  of  ANILCA  did three  things:    directed  the                                                               
Secretary of Interior  to assess the area for  fish and wildlife;                                                               
required an analysis  of the impacts of oil  and gas exploration,                                                               
development,  and production;  and authorized  certain low-impact                                                               
oil and gas exploration activities.   Between 1983 and 1985, low-                                                               
impact exploration  activities were  conducted, and  nearly 1,200                                                               
line miles of  two dimensional (2-D) seismic  data was collected.                                                               
He said  he has seen  that data  and it is  absolutely imperative                                                               
for understanding  anything about the sub-surface  in the Coastal                                                               
Plain.   However, it is challenging  data to work with  and it is                                                               
strongly  believed that  modern  seismic  techniques using  three                                                               
dimensional (3-D) seismic would  greatly enhance understanding of                                                               
the 1002 Area sub-surface.  The  2-D seismic activity and the one                                                               
well  drilled  on Kaktovik  Inupiat  Corporation  (KIC) lands  by                                                               
Tenneco in  1984 and  1985 represent  the sum  total of  the sub-                                                               
surface knowledge.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  addressed the USGS  map of the  1002 Area on  slide 6                                                               
depicting  the discovered  oil and  gas accumulations  around the                                                               
edges of  the Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge.   He  pointed out                                                               
that the football-shaped  area is a schematic  depiction of Point                                                               
Thomson  which has  oil, gas,  and condensate.   The  green boxes                                                               
indicate  wells that  have discovered,  including several  in the                                                               
offshore and along the shoreline, as  well as just south of Point                                                               
Thomson at Sourdough.  The  red boxes indicate gas accumulations,                                                               
Kavik and Kemick,  both discovered in the late  1960s and located                                                               
a little bit  farther into the foothills where the  area tends to                                                               
be more  gas prone.   He called  attention to the  undeformed and                                                               
deformed areas  of the 1002  Area, explaining that deformed  is a                                                               
geologic  term  for  rocks that  have  literally  been  deformed,                                                               
meaning the layers  of rocks have been bent,  broken, folded, and                                                               
faulted.  It  is associated with the tectonic  compression of the                                                               
area, with  tectonic forces squeezing  Northern Alaska  to create                                                               
the Brooks  Range.   An analogy  would be  to imagine  a snowplow                                                               
advancing  from south  to north,  the blade  pushing the  snow in                                                               
front of  it.  The  undeformed area  would represent the  part of                                                               
the parking  lot that  the snowplow  hasn't gotten  to yet.   The                                                               
deformed area  would be the  portion in  front of the  plow where                                                               
the snow is munged up  and compartmentalized into little bits and                                                               
pieces  instead of  the nice  original layers.   This  geological                                                               
complexity  of building  the Brooks  Range  also has  temperature                                                               
implications in addition to the structural implications.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:55:36 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  inquired whether  those are the  same kind                                                               
of differential structure found between Kuparuk and Prudhoe Bay.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  replied it is  a very different style  of deformation                                                               
along the Barrow Arch between  Prudhoe Bay and Kuparuk, which has                                                               
not at all  felt the snowplow, so to speak.   The undeformed area                                                               
would be  more akin to  Prudhoe Bay  with caveats.   Prudhoe Bay,                                                               
Kuparuk, and  most of the major  fields have not felt  the impact                                                               
of the snowplow.   That is part of the  reason why the undeformed                                                               
area is  believed to  be considerably more  valuable in  terms of                                                               
oil habitat  - it  is much more  likely to have  more oil  in the                                                               
undeformed area than in the deformed area.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:56:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  addressed  slide 7  entitled,  "USGS  1998  Resource                                                               
Assessment Undiscovered,  Technically Recoverable Resource."   He                                                               
noted  the map  on  the right  side of  the  slide highlights  in                                                               
yellow the undeformed area of the  1002 Area.  The numbers in the                                                               
blue box on  the left are estimates  of undiscovered, technically                                                               
recoverable resource.   It is not looking at reserves  yet - just                                                               
undiscovered  resource  that is  judged  to  be technically,  not                                                               
necessarily commercially, recoverable.   It is only talking about                                                               
the  volumes of  oil that  could be  recovered by  the technology                                                               
available at this time; so,  obviously, very speculative numbers.                                                               
The only way to  arrive at a meaningful answer on  that kind of a                                                               
question  is  to  create  a  range  of  outcomes,  a  probability                                                               
distribution, and that  is what is depicted by  the three columns                                                               
of numbers in  the blue box.  The low-side  estimate is the "F95"                                                               
column, meaning  a 95 percent  confidence that the  actual volume                                                               
of  undiscovered, technically  recoverable  oil  would be  larger                                                               
than that  number.  The "F05"  column is the number  at the upper                                                               
end of  the scale, meaning a  5 percent confidence that  there is                                                               
more resource  than that.   The "Mean" column is  not necessarily                                                               
the  center  or the  "P50,"  it  is  the  average of  the  entire                                                               
probabilistic distribution.   In this assessment  the USGS looked                                                               
at the federal 1002 lands,  the Native lands around Kaktovik, and                                                               
the state  waters going  out to three  miles from  the shoreline.                                                               
The  average, or  mean,  estimate for  the  entire assessment  is                                                               
about 10.4 billion  barrels of recoverable oil.   Within just the                                                               
federal lands,  the mean estimate  is about 7.7  billion barrels;                                                               
and, of that, the mean estimate  for the undeformed part is about                                                               
6.4  billion  barrels  and  about 1.2  billion  barrels  for  the                                                               
deformed part.  So, according  to this prediction, the undeformed                                                               
area only  represents about  one-third of the  1002 Area,  yet it                                                               
has about five times as much  oil as the other two-thirds that is                                                               
deformed area.   That  makes the undeformed  area about  10 times                                                               
more valuable  on a barrel-per-acre  basis, and key is  that it's                                                               
adjacent to state lands, including Point Thomson and Sourdough.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:59:28 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR   asked  whether  the  1998   USGS  resource                                                               
assessment is  based on the 2-D  technology of the 1980s  and the                                                               
one well that was drilled.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER responded the one well  very likely is not included in                                                               
that assessment because  that well has been  held confidential to                                                               
the parties  involved; a  couple of oil  companies that  are left                                                               
still have access to that data.   Because the well was drilled on                                                               
Native lands it  has been legitimately held  confidential for all                                                               
these years.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:00:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  defined some exploration  terminology (slide  8), but                                                               
qualified the definitions are informal.   A "play" in exploration                                                               
terms  is  a  set  of  known  or  hypothetical  accumulations  of                                                               
hydrocarbons that  are closely related  to each other  because of                                                               
some  shared  geologic  characteristic.    Typically  the  shared                                                               
characteristic is the reservoir rock unit,  so the oil and gas is                                                               
predicted  or  known to  occur  within  a certain  age  reservoir                                                               
formation.   A "prospect"  is one  of the  postulated hydrocarbon                                                               
accumulations  that   can  be  identified  from   geological  and                                                               
geophysical information; it is  a discreet potential accumulation                                                               
and typically hasn't  yet been confirmed by  drilling a discovery                                                               
well.  This  same word is also used to  describe discoveries that                                                               
have not yet  been commercially sanctioned, that  still need some                                                               
delineation.   An "accumulation" is oil  or gas that is  known to                                                               
be trapped in  a viable reservoir rock with  enough saturation of                                                               
the  hydrocarbons that  it can  be recovered  by drilling  wells,                                                               
drawing down  the pressure, and  sucking it out.   "Reserves" are                                                               
not  the same  as resources;  rather, reserves  are the  class of                                                               
resources  that   have  been  discovered  and   are  commercially                                                               
producible.   Reserves does not  apply to undrilled  prospects or                                                               
undiscovered resources; therefore, a key  point is that there are                                                               
no reserves in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge at this time.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER noted the graphic on  the left of slide 9 represents a                                                               
stratigraphic column from the 1998  USGS assessment of the Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife Refuge.  It  summarizes the rock layers:  where                                                               
the source rocks  are, where oil and gas may  be present, and how                                                               
the  different plays  are broken  out  for the  assessment.   The                                                               
column  represents the  oldest  and deepest  rock  layers at  the                                                               
bottom and  the youngest and  shallowest rock layers at  the top.                                                               
The ages  of the rocks span  hundreds of millions of  years.  The                                                               
greatest resource potential lies in  some of the younger Cenozoic                                                               
rocks, which  are the sand-bearing formations  depicted in yellow                                                               
and specifically  the Sagavanirktok Formation.   He said  the two                                                               
charts on the right side of  slide 9 represent histograms of size                                                               
class, what  the USGS calls field  size classes.  Each  column in                                                               
the charts  represents a size  class that  is double of  the next                                                               
smaller  size class  to  the left.   The  upper  graph shows  the                                                               
number  of  accumulations, with  the  deformed  area depicted  by                                                               
green  bars and  the  undeformed area  depicted  in yellow  bars.                                                               
Most of  the predicted  accumulations, outlined  by the  red box,                                                               
are going  to be  in the  three size  classes between  32 million                                                               
barrels and  256 million barrels,  which are smaller  fields than                                                               
Prudhoe  Bay.    Thirty-two  million barrels  would  probably  be                                                               
really  pushing  it  to  be  economically  recoverable,  but  250                                                               
million barrels  would very likely  be commercially viable.   The                                                               
lower graph  shows the volume  of undiscovered oil  resources and                                                               
how it  is predicted  to fall  out in  the various  size classes.                                                               
Most of the  oil is predicted to occur in  accumulations that are                                                               
between  about 128  million and  a  billion barrels  in size,  as                                                               
outlined by  the red box.   The oil  in those size  classes would                                                               
very likely be  economic to recover it accessible to  oil and gas                                                               
leasing  and  development.    He  pointed  out  that  the  graphs                                                               
represent the average, or mean, case.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:04:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON requested  Mr. Decker  to further  explain                                                               
the graphs on the right side of slide 9.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER  explained the  top  right  graph  is the  number  of                                                               
accumulations -  the number of  discreet prospects  envisioned by                                                               
the  USGS in  each size  class.   The  tallest bar  on the  graph                                                               
represents the  field size  class of  64-128 million  barrels and                                                               
the USGS expects  there to be about 8 accumulations  of that size                                                               
in  the undeformed  area and  just  under 1  accumulation in  the                                                               
deformed area.   Because it is  a statistical way of  doing this,                                                               
the numbers are not round.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:06:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER resumed  his  presentation, turning  to  slide 10  to                                                               
discuss the major  exploration plays in the assessment  area.  He                                                               
explained that when  all of the oil assessed in  the mean case is                                                               
allocated  to  the  various  plays,  or suites  in  which  it  is                                                               
predicted to  be present, it is  almost ranked by age  as well as                                                               
by size class.  As was  seen in the stratigraphy column, it's the                                                               
youngest suite of rocks that  has the largest resource potential.                                                               
In  particular are  the Brookian  Topset  and Brookian  Turbidite                                                               
plays.   These are nearly age  equivalent of each other,  but the                                                               
Topset   is  sandstones,   conglomerates,  and   reservoir  rocks                                                               
deposited in  shallow water, whereas the  Turbidite is sandstones                                                               
and  mudstones  deposited  in  much,  much  deeper  water.    The                                                               
Brookian  Topset play  is  the most  prospective  at 6.2  billion                                                               
barrels.  Actual accumulations representative  of the Topset play                                                               
include  the Hammerhead  discovery  and  the Kuvlum  accumulation                                                               
offshore in  the outer continental  shelf (OCS).   Representative                                                               
of  the  Turbidite  play  are places  like  Badami,  the  Flaxman                                                               
discovery  at  Point  Thomson,  Sourdough  just  south  of  Point                                                               
Thomson, Yukon  Gold, and  the Stinson  accumulation.   The other                                                               
plays  listed  on slide  10  are,  for  the most  part,  also-ran                                                               
contenders.    Brookian  Topsets, Brookian  Turbidites,  Brookian                                                               
Wedge,  and the  Thomson and  Kemik Sandstones  are likely  to be                                                               
present  in  the  undeformed  area  because  they  can  all  form                                                               
stratigraphic traps, so  there is no sole  reliance on structural                                                               
traps to actually find compartments to trap the oil.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  drew attention to  the block diagram of  the Brookian                                                               
sequence depositional model  on slide 11.  He  said the mountains                                                               
in  the  diagram represent  the  Brooks  Range, with  the  rivers                                                               
spilling out  of the mountains  carrying sediment.   The sediment                                                               
deposited onshore  and near shoreline  - the fluvial  and deltaic                                                               
systems -  is the Topset play.   The sediment carried  across the                                                               
continental shelf and  down the continental slope  onto the basin                                                               
floor of  the ocean -  creating fans  or aprons -  represents the                                                               
Turbidites or deepwater plays.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:09:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER displayed  a well  log  [slide 12]  for the  Brookian                                                               
Topset  play as  manifested in  the Hammerhead  discovery located                                                               
not  very  far offshore  in  eastern  Beaufort  OCS waters.    He                                                               
explained  the non-marine,  fluvial-deltaic,  and shallow  marine                                                               
sandstones  and conglomerates  are separated  from each  other by                                                               
intervening  siltstones  and  mudstones that  create  seals  that                                                               
contain the oil and gas.   The hallmark is high reservoir quality                                                               
- great  porosity, great  permeability - but  only a  fraction of                                                               
the interval is actually pay zones.   The red arrows show the gas                                                               
pays and  the green  shows oil pay.   Both oil  and gas  occur in                                                               
this  accumulation and  occur in  stacked, relatively  thin zones                                                               
that are  10-50 feet thick.   This is  a very different  style of                                                               
reservoir than the  Prudhoe Bay reservoir where there  may be 400                                                               
feet of continuous light oil and gas.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER turned  to slide  13 to  show two  well logs  for the                                                               
Brookian  Turbidite play,  one a  Badami  well and  one from  the                                                               
Flaxman discovery  at Point  Thomson.  He  said Badami  has never                                                               
really  performed  as hoped  due  to  compartmentalization and  a                                                               
variety of other geologic complications.   The Flaxman discovery,                                                               
however, looks like a much better  reservoir, on the order of 100                                                               
million  barrels,  plus  or  minus.   The  relatively  thin  test                                                               
interval  in the  Flaxman well  flowed at  rates of  2.5 thousand                                                               
barrels of  oil per  day, as  well as a  couple of  million cubic                                                               
feet of  gas.   With Point  Thomson going  to development,  it is                                                               
anticipated that some of these  Brookian discoveries in the unit,                                                               
and maybe  nearby, could also come  on line and it  is hoped they                                                               
will perform better than Badami.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:11:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER called  attention to  the map  on slide  14 depicting                                                               
existing wells  with red dots and  the 2-D seismic data  with red                                                               
lines that was  used in the 1998-1999 USGS assessments.   The KIC                                                               
1 well  is the only well  located within the 1002  Area, he said,                                                               
and it  is still confidential.   The  other wells are  located in                                                               
state waters,  on state lands,  and in  the OCS and  were drilled                                                               
over  the  last several  decades.    The  geology of  the  Arctic                                                               
National  Wildlife   Refuge  was  worked  out   by  interpolating                                                               
inwards.  The 2-D seismic, acquired  in 1983, 1984, and 1985, was                                                               
very challenging acquisition and  very difficult geology to image                                                               
properly.  The seismic spacing is  on the order of three to eight                                                               
miles  between lines  and a  lot can  fall through  a sieve  that                                                               
coarse.   So,  about a  year and  a half  ago the  state proposed                                                               
acquiring its own three-dimensional  (3-D) seismic surveys across                                                               
the entire  Coastal Plain [slide 15].   This would not  be cheap,                                                               
but the  value would  be new  data -  state-of-the-art technology                                                               
that could  be acquired in  prioritized areas, starting  with the                                                               
undeformed area,  then moving next  to the Marsh  Creek Anticline                                                               
Area, and then progressing east  and then south across these five                                                               
areas over  a period of  about three years.   It would be  a very                                                               
ambitious program.   While not all  of the data may  get done, it                                                               
could begin  with the  prioritized area.   This proposal  made it                                                               
all  the  way  to  a  formal application  to  the  Department  of                                                               
Interior for a seismic permit to do the work.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:14:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  moved to  slide 16, explaining  the rational  for the                                                               
State  of Alaska's  proposal for  3-D seismic  in the  1002 Area.                                                               
Section  1002(a) of  ANILCA, he  reiterated, set  aside the  1002                                                               
Area specifically  to assess the  area for a variety  of resource                                                               
values and  assess whether it  would be  a good place  to explore                                                               
for oil  and gas in the  national interest.  [In  the division's]                                                               
view, the  data from the  mid-1980s is wholly  unsatisfactory for                                                               
making  a high  resolution final  management decision  especially                                                               
one that  would make it  all off-limits forever.   [The division]                                                               
believes  the   newer  technology   would  give  a   much  better                                                               
resolution  and   a  better  understanding  of   the  probability                                                               
distribution.    The  state  took  the point  of  view  that  the                                                               
authority to  conduct exploration of  this sort had  never really                                                               
expired.  Since it is  winter-only seismic exploration, it is low                                                               
impact and would  have very minimal permanent  impacts.  However,                                                               
the  Department of  Interior's response  to the  state's proposal                                                               
was that  it has  expired and  would take an  act of  Congress to                                                               
open it back up.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  turned to slide  17, pointing out  the aforementioned                                                               
is not the  first time the State of Alaska  has taken an interest                                                               
in trying to  maintain the Arctic National Wildlife  Refuge as an                                                               
area that could  be opened to exploration.  In  2003 the Division                                                               
of Oil & Gas put together a  report entitled, "Oil and Gas in the                                                               
ANWR?  It's  Time to Find out!"  Available  on the division's web                                                               
site,  this report  is an  in-depth explanation  of how  the USGS                                                               
conducted its analysis  in its 1998-1999 assessment.   The report                                                               
stressed the differential importance  and value of the undeformed                                                               
area and  also stressed the  importance of modern 3-D  seismic to                                                               
making a  good assessment.   Also stressed  in the report  is the                                                               
decrease in footprint  in terms of winter-only  ice pad drilling,                                                               
as well as today's smaller  development footprint with gravel and                                                               
year around access.   More wells than ever can  be drilled from a                                                               
smaller  pad  with a  larger  sub-surface  drainage area  through                                                               
deviated  and horizontal  well technologies.    The Alaska  State                                                               
Legislature  has  also taken  a  number  of actions  since  1993,                                                               
including a number of endorsements  and appropriations to promote                                                               
public  education   on  the  issue,  proposing   exploration  and                                                               
leasing, and opposing Wilderness designation.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:17:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  noted the  President of the  United States                                                               
recently said the  federal government will consult  with State of                                                               
Alaska  officials  and  indigenous  people  when  there  are  any                                                               
decisions to  make in  an Arctic  matter.   He inquired  what the                                                               
division's counterparts in the federal  government say when asked                                                               
that  question.   He surmised  the division's  federal colleagues                                                               
choose to consult with the state when they choose to.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR.  DECKER replied  the  division  has, for  the  most part,  an                                                               
exceptional  working relationship  with  its federal  colleagues.                                                               
The division keeps it mostly  at a professional level rather than                                                               
straying into questions of politics.   However, he continued, the                                                               
division has  called out its  good friends and colleagues  in the                                                               
USGS  for instances  where the  division  felt the  communication                                                               
could  have  been  better,  one   example  being  the  2010  USGS                                                               
reassessment of  the National Petroleum  Reserve in Alaska.   The                                                               
USGS  took  it  upon  itself  to  update  the  previous  resource                                                               
assessment in the petroleum reserve  and the division felt that a                                                               
better  outcome would  have been  yielded had  the division  been                                                               
consulted throughout  the process.   In  this case,  the division                                                               
sent a letter directly to the  Secretary of Interior and the USGS                                                               
director.   He said Representative  Herron's point is  well taken                                                               
that more communication is always beneficial.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  surmised that  the division's  written and                                                               
verbal communications  are still  asking the question,  "How come                                                               
you don't want  to have a complete conversation?"   He asked what                                                               
the federal response to that is.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER confessed  that since the announcement  came out about                                                               
the new CCP  he has not reached out to  his federal colleagues to                                                               
have this conversation; therefore it  would be speculative of him                                                               
to try to predict how  his professional colleagues would react to                                                               
that.   The decisions being made,  he added, are being  made at a                                                               
much higher  level than the geologists  he is dealing with.   The                                                               
geologists he is  aware of all share the view  that the 1998-1999                                                               
resource assessment  is still the  best estimate of  the resource                                                               
potential in the area and it could be improved upon.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON opined that many  people in the Capitol and                                                               
around  Alaska are  frustrated.   For  example, an  environmental                                                               
impact  statement  (EIS)  for   the  [proposed]  safety  corridor                                                               
through  the  Izembek  [National  Wildlife Refuge]  was  done  by                                                               
indigenous people,  the State  of Alaska, and  the U.S.  Fish and                                                               
Wildlife  Service (USFWS).   However,  USFWS officials  in Alaska                                                               
were  taken by  surprise when  others  higher up  in the  federal                                                               
government made  the decision to say  no.  He expressed  his fear                                                               
that this  could happen  to the  state elsewhere,  and maintained                                                               
that it has happened.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
2:21:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  resumed his  presentation, addressing  slide 18.   He                                                               
said  [the  division's]  2013   application  to  conduct  seismic                                                               
surveys in  the 1002  Area was  about making  informed decisions.                                                               
The Alaska  State Constitution says  the state's objective  is to                                                               
manage its  resources by  making them  available for  the maximum                                                               
use consistent  with the public  interest.  Decisions need  to be                                                               
made  that  are based  on  current  information and  not  30-year                                                               
technology, he argued.  [The  division] believes that whether the                                                               
resources are  on state or  federal lands, consideration  must be                                                               
given  to  both  the  state  and  the  federal  interest.    [The                                                               
division] is  not at all  convinced that setting this  land aside                                                               
is in  the national  interest, much less  in the  state interest.                                                               
Further,  the National  Environmental Policy  Act (NEPA)  process                                                               
cautions  against   making  decisions  based  on   incomplete  or                                                               
unavailable information.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  turned to  slide 19,  saying [the  division] believes                                                               
the  plan it  put forth  was in  compliance with  ANILCA and  was                                                               
consistent with federal  regulations governing exploration plans.                                                               
The Department  of Interior  turned down the  plan in  support of                                                               
the  USFWS  conclusion  that  any  new  exploratory  activity  is                                                               
prohibited by ANILCA, rather than  authorized by ANILCA, and that                                                               
it would require an act of Congress to reauthorize.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER drew attention to  slide 20, relating [the division's]                                                               
belief  that significant  questions remain  unanswered.   He said                                                               
describing something so  uncertain must be done  by a probability                                                               
distribution.   The right  answer is unknown  to the  question of                                                               
where on  the probability distribution the  resource potential is                                                               
for  oil in  the  1002 Area.   Another  question  is whether  the                                                               
undeformed area  adjacent to state lands  is significantly richer                                                               
and more cost effective than  the deformed area.  These questions                                                               
translate to the  question of, What is the best  decision for the                                                               
United States and the State of  Alaska?  He said [the division's]                                                               
pitch is to know before walking away forever (slide 21).                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:24:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  asked whether  the state's position  is that                                                               
all areas  should be  available for oil  and gas  exploration and                                                               
leasing activities.   The state's  position on the 1002  Area has                                                               
been clearly outlined today, she  said, but she is asking whether                                                               
there are any areas within the  state that have been suggested as                                                               
not being suitable for oil and gas.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  answered the Department  of Natural  Resources (DNR),                                                               
and  the technical  staff  at  the Division  of  Oil  & Gas,  can                                                               
identify significant  areas of the  state that have very  low oil                                                               
and gas  resource potential.   When it  comes to  land selections                                                               
and  processing   the  over-selections,   some  parcels   may  be                                                               
evaluated as having  no resource potential for oil and  gas.  For                                                               
example, volcanic  or igneous rocks  may be very  prospective for                                                               
hard  mineral deposits  but have  essentially zero  potential for                                                               
oil and gas.  Additionally,  [DNR] recognizes conservation units,                                                               
state parks, and national parks  and would never advocate for oil                                                               
and gas extraction [in those areas].                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR   asked  whether  areas  that   [DNR]  might                                                               
recommend for conservation would  only be recommended after [DNR]                                                               
could say they  weren't available or didn't suggest  them for oil                                                               
and gas exploration or leasing.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER replied  he sees it as a question  of timing.  Drawing                                                               
attention to the Alaska land status  map displayed on the wall in                                                               
the committee  room, he noted the  state lands are shown  in blue                                                               
and said those  lands identified as having oil  and gas potential                                                               
were recognized  two or more  decades ago.  Very  prospective for                                                               
oil  and gas,  as seen  by  the division's  area-wide lease  sale                                                               
areas, are  the central North  Slope, state waters  just offshore                                                               
of the North Slope, onshore down  into the foothills, the rest of                                                               
the onshore  North Slope, the National  Petroleum Reserve-Alaska,                                                               
and the  Coastal Plain  of the  Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge.                                                               
Cook  Inlet  represents  another  highly  productive  hydrocarbon                                                               
basin.  Also  identified are the southern shores  of Bristol Bay,                                                               
the Alaska  Peninsula area-wide sale  where over a  million acres                                                               
are available  on annual  area-wide lease  sale terms,  just like                                                               
Cook Inlet and  the North Slope lease sales.   The aforementioned                                                               
represent the lion's share of  the oil and gas resource potential                                                               
in  the state.   Other  basins  are still  in an  early phase  of                                                               
exploration for  oil and gas,  such as the Nenana,  Copper River,                                                               
Yukon Flats,  and Susitna  basins.   Most of  the lands  that are                                                               
truly prospective  for oil and  gas were recognized as  such some                                                               
time ago, and  the set-asides for other  conservation reasons are                                                               
largely independent of those lands.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:28:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON pointed out  that state selections occurred                                                               
before the  time of shale  oil and gas.   He asked  whether there                                                               
are additional  areas that are  now prospective oil and  gas with                                                               
the addition of tight shale.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER responded  that, for the most part, the  best place to                                                               
explore for shale is the North  Slope and, in his view, even that                                                               
is  currently very  challenged given  today's price  environment.                                                               
Once shale is  commercially viable, the North Slope  would be the                                                               
place to start  looking given its world-class oil  and gas source                                                               
rocks  and that  they are  at the  right thermal  maturity.   The                                                               
other parts of the state don't  tend to see that same richness of                                                               
source  rock  at   the  right  thermal  maturity   to  be  highly                                                               
prospective for source rock reservoir or shale oil.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON  referenced  slides  10  and  20  and  the                                                               
concept of a Brookian Topset play  that is 6.2 billion barrels of                                                               
technically  recoverable.   He inquired  whether  there could  be                                                               
economically recoverable oil there.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER answered the aforementioned  is a common question when                                                               
talking  about resource  assessments that  specifically refer  to                                                               
undiscovered, technically  recoverable resource  numbers.   It is                                                               
tempting to  ask how much  of this will  actually be gotten.   He                                                               
said he tries  to avoid falling into this trap  because it varies                                                               
from assessment area  to assessment area.  A  certain fraction of                                                               
the oil is going to occur  in accumulations that are too small to                                                               
warrant  economic development.   A  certain size  accumulation is                                                               
needed to make  it viable commercially and that size  is going to                                                               
vary depending  on how close  it is to other  infrastructure, the                                                               
flow  rates that  can  be  established, and  a  variety of  other                                                               
parameters.   There is both  the size  class issue and  the price                                                               
issue.   The Department of Revenue  will speak next about  a USGS                                                               
follow-up assessment  that attempts to  look at how much  of that                                                               
is commercially viable  and how that varies with  price and costs                                                               
of services.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON recalled  Dan Seamount  of the  Alaska Oil                                                               
and Gas Conservation Commission  (AOGCC) telling the committee on                                                               
2/20/15 that  if Prudhoe Bay  was re-pressurized to  its original                                                               
4,500  pounds per  square  inch (PSI),  an  addition one  billion                                                               
barrels of oil  would be recovered.  He asked  whether this means                                                               
that re-pressurization would be one-tenth  the size of the entire                                                               
1002 Area  or equal  to the 1002  Area.  Saying  he is  trying to                                                               
determine comparative  values, he further asked  whether it would                                                               
be expected  to be able to  recover a billion barrels  out of the                                                               
plays listed on slide 10.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. DECKER  replied it would  be valuable to hear  the Department                                                               
of Revenue speak in regard to this direction.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:35 p.m. to 2:41 p.m.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:41:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KEN ALPER,  Director, Tax Division, Department  of Revenue (DOR),                                                               
began with slide  2 of his PowerPoint  presentation, stating that                                                               
the 1002 Area of the Arctic  National Wildlife Refuge is the most                                                               
promising unexplored area in Alaska.   A large amount of resource                                                               
is  believed to  be  in that  relatively compact  area.   At  1.5                                                               
million acres, or 2,300 square miles,  the 1002 Area is about the                                                               
size of the City and Borough  of Juneau or the state of Delaware.                                                               
Development of Point Thomson suddenly  brings the Arctic National                                                               
Wildlife Refuge much closer  to existing infrastructure, allowing                                                               
the refuge  to be built  up without a lot  of new work  in virgin                                                               
territory.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER turned  to slide  3 and  cautioned that  talking about                                                               
revenue  from  the  Arctic National  Wildlife  Refuge  is  highly                                                               
speculative.    He  said the Department  of Revenue  (DOR) worked                                                               
with  the  Department  of Natural  Resources  (DNR)  to  identify                                                               
consensus estimates from  the previous federal reports.   This is                                                               
an undiscovered, technically recoverable  resource, so DOR can do                                                               
its best to say what would  happen if it is developed, but cannot                                                               
say that  it will be  able to raise this  money.  At  this point,                                                               
the refuge's proven reserves remain  at zero.  Before putting any                                                               
numbers before the  committee, he said he wants  members to first                                                               
understand DOR's assumptions.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:44:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  called attention to  the source  documents highlighted                                                               
on  slide  4:    the  2005 "Economics  of  1998  U.S.  Geological                                                               
Survey's  1002 Area  Regional Assessment:   An  Economic Update,"                                                               
and  the 2008  "Analysis of  Crude Oil  Production in  the Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife  Refuge."   He explained  that the  2008 report                                                               
[by  the U.S.  Energy  Information Administration  (EIA)] was  in                                                               
response to a  question from U.S. Senator Ted Stevens  to look at                                                               
some economic  potential and  was focused  more on  a replacement                                                               
for  imports and  an effect  on the  U.S. oil  market.   The USGS                                                               
report included a  statement that said assuming the  price of oil                                                               
is over about $55 a barrel, 90 percent  of the oil is going to be                                                               
recoverable  economically.     The  gap  between   technical  and                                                               
economical becomes relatively  narrow at $55.  Since  that was in                                                               
1998, the number now would be somewhat higher.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER spoke to slide  5, "Assumptions:  Total Volume," saying                                                               
DOR  is working  under the  assumption that  because the  largest                                                               
fields  would  be brought  on  first  and because  those  largest                                                               
fields are the ones that  will be inherently the most economical,                                                               
the  great bulk  of  what is  considered technically  recoverable                                                               
will be economically recoverable in  DOR's modeling.  He said the                                                               
chart on this slide is  directly from DNR's presentation and uses                                                               
the USGS  numbers.  The  mean number  of 7.69 billion  barrels is                                                               
for the federal  1002 Area, and the mean number  of 10.36 billion                                                               
barrels is for  the entire study area, which  also includes state                                                               
land,  near  offshore,  and  the  Native  corporation  land  near                                                               
Kaktovik.   Thus, roughly 75  percent of the  oil is going  to be                                                               
from  federal land  and developed  under federal  rules, and  the                                                               
other 25 percent will be different.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER  addressed slide  6,  "Assumptions:   Distribution  of                                                               
Volume," explaining  that for purposes  of modeling  DOR presumed                                                               
[most of  the resource is  in] the  undeformed part [of  the 1002                                                               
Area] and  DOR estimated that 15  percent would be state  oil and                                                               
10 percent would be oil on Native corporation land.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:45:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER reviewed slide 7,  "Assumptions:  Production Timeline,"                                                               
stating the EIA report laid  out a production timeline that would                                                               
take  about 10  years  from  the moment  permission  is given  to                                                               
explore for oil.   Assuming permission is given  in January 2016,                                                               
it would  take [until  2019] to  get the  plans together  and the                                                               
leases and  permits issued, so  exploration would begin  in about                                                               
2019.   Assuming the first  field is  found three years  later in                                                               
2022,  and development  takes four  years,  the first  production                                                               
would be in  2026, consistent with the EIA report  timeline of 10                                                               
years  after  authorization.    From   there  DOR  used  its  own                                                               
speculation of how  to do this, which would be  starting with the                                                               
largest fields, bringing  one new field on line  every two years,                                                               
totaling 25 new fields being brought  on line over a period of 50                                                               
years, and  adding up production  and consequent  revenue through                                                               
2075.    He said  this  is  very  much  outside of  the  standard                                                               
workload  done by  DOR, given  the department  typically projects                                                               
production and  revenue about 10  years into the future.   Beyond                                                               
that it ceases to be  material for budget purposes for projecting                                                               
the state's  revenues, but  DOR was happy  to do  this projection                                                               
when asked by the committee co-chairs to provide this analysis.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER noted  the graph on slide 8, "Assumptions:   Field Size                                                               
Distribution," comes  from the USGS.   He said the  white, black,                                                               
and grey  bars on  the graph represent  the low  probability, the                                                               
mean, and  the best case  or high  probability for the  number of                                                               
accumulations.  The  Y axis is the number of  distinct oil fields                                                               
of  these different  sizes.   Turning to  slide 9,  "Assumptions:                                                               
Field  Size  Development," he  said  DOR  ran  a model  in  three                                                               
different  cases.   In  the  high case,  two  of the  twenty-five                                                               
fields are  at more than  a billion  barrels and the  smallest of                                                               
the twenty-five  fields are at  128-256 million barrels.   In the                                                               
low  case,  there are  no  billion  barrel fields,  two  512-1024                                                               
million  barrel  fields, and  [three]  fields  of [32-64  million                                                               
barrels].   The total  number of barrels  that would  be produced                                                               
through [2075] would  be 4.5 billion, 7 billion,  and 9.7 billion                                                               
barrels  in the  low, base,  and  high cases,  respectively.   In                                                               
response to  Representative Seaton, Mr. Alper  clarified that the                                                               
total number  of barrels would  be the aggregate  production over                                                               
the  50  years of  oil  production  starting  in 2026,  with  the                                                               
fiftieth year of production of oil being in 2075.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:49:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER drew  attention to slide 10,  "Assumptions:  Production                                                               
Profile," pointing out  the graph depicts a  fairly standard alga                                                               
rhythm for  how a new  oil field is  ramped up, peaked,  and then                                                               
declined.   The  graph includes  curves for  the seven  different                                                               
sizes of fields.   It takes two to three  years for production to                                                               
go up, a few  years at the top of production,  and then a decline                                                               
at about 6 percent [per year] as per DOR's standard curve.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER discussed  slide 11, "Assumptions:  Price of  Oil."  He                                                               
said these  assumptions are getting  a bit more  speculative, but                                                               
most  important is  that  throughout the  study  [all prices  and                                                               
costs assume] 2015  constant numbers.  This was  done because the                                                               
numbers  sound highly  distorting  when inflation  is built  into                                                               
them going 50-60  years into the future.  For  example, $110 with                                                               
2.25 percent  interest 60 years from  now is about $400  a barrel                                                               
for oil.   Putting $400 barrels on the screen  would just confuse                                                               
the  issue, ne  said.   The number  of $110  is not  particularly                                                               
magical:  the  DOR Revenue Sources Book projects a  2024 price of                                                               
$134.39 a barrel;  backing that price to current  dollars at 2.25                                                               
percent gets  to within a  few cents of $110  a barrel.   So, DOR                                                               
used that number for the  modeling purposes.  Scenarios were also                                                               
run at a higher and a lower price, which he will review later.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  turned to  slide 12, "Assumptions:   Gas,"  noting DOR                                                               
chose not to bring gas into  the modeling at this point primarily                                                               
because it  would have complicated  the work beyond what  DOR was                                                               
capable of  doing in  the three  days that  were had  to generate                                                               
this.   Also, the gas  resource information is far  less defined;                                                               
there is no  geology or reports that tell roughly  in volumes how                                                               
much gas there  is.  Further, DOR didn't worry  about the cost of                                                               
handling  the injecting  and so  forth  of associated  gas.   The                                                               
reality is, should  the Alaska LNG Project (AK  LNG) move forward                                                               
on  the  anticipated  timeline,   the  known  reserves  that  are                                                               
essentially part of the initial  production will have tapered out                                                               
and there will  be room in the  AK LNG line around  2045 or 2050,                                                               
which  works  out  nicely  with the  development  of  the  Arctic                                                               
National Wildlife Refuge that is being envisioned in this model.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:51:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved  to slide 13, "Assumptions:   Costs," saying that                                                               
companies are  spending money to do  this.  He explained  that an                                                               
annual exploration cost  of $500 million is  assumed beginning in                                                               
2019  because  it  is  roughly  twice  what  is  being  spent  on                                                               
exploration right now on the North  Slope.  After 10 years when a                                                               
good exploration  regime will have  been undertaken,  annual cost                                                               
assumptions are cut in half  to $250 million and continued onward                                                               
after  the  10  years.   If/when  accumulations  are  found,  the                                                               
development  capital  expenditures  are  assumed to  be  $10  per                                                               
barrel based  on the  size of the  field, with  that concentrated                                                               
over an eight-year  timeline at the beginning  of the development                                                               
of  each field.    Once oil  is being  produced,  another $5  per                                                               
barrel in capital expense is  assumed to be maintenance spending.                                                               
Once oil is  being produced, an operating cost of  $20 per barrel                                                               
is assumed for running the  fields.  The aforementioned costs are                                                               
important  for calculating  the profits-based  tax because  these                                                               
are lease expenditures.   The netback, or tariff,  cost is $12.25                                                               
per barrel;  that takes DOR's  estimates of 2024 and  brings them                                                               
back to  2015 dollars and  adds a little  bit for the  new feeder                                                               
line bringing the new oil from  the refuge over to pump station 1                                                               
of the [Trans-Alaska Pipeline System (TAPS)].                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  reviewed slide 14,  "Assumptions:   Fiscal (Royalty)."                                                               
A  royalty rate  of  12.5 percent  was assumed  for  the sake  of                                                               
simplicity, he explained,  but a wide range  of different royalty                                                               
rates  is possible  given three  different land  owners and  that                                                               
there will  be a number of  different lease offerings.   The 12.5                                                               
percent  correlates  with the  major  state-owned  fields in  the                                                               
North Slope.   For  federal royalties,  DOR assumed  current law,                                                               
which is  the state gets  90 percent.   This assumption  could be                                                               
controversial,  he allowed,  because  it is  reasonable to  think                                                               
that  before   the  federal  government  would   allow  something                                                               
tremendous  like  this  to  go  forward, it  would  insist  on  a                                                               
different  split arrangement.   He  also pointed  out that  under                                                               
Alaska's production tax  law, private royalties are  subject to a                                                               
5 percent  gross production tax.   Thus, the KIC  royalties would                                                               
be  subject  to a  5  percent  gross  production tax,  which  was                                                               
recognized in DOR's royalty calculation.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:53:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  called attention  to slide  15, "Assumptions:   Fiscal                                                               
(Production Tax)."   Under the current tax  regime established by                                                               
Senate Bill 21,  he noted, these new fields will  be eligible for                                                               
the 20  percent gross  value reduction (GVR).   Also  included in                                                               
Senate Bill 21 for new  fields was a per-barrel production credit                                                               
of $5.   Because DOR is keeping  the price of oil  at 2015 levels                                                               
going forward, the  $5 subtraction factor is reduced  at the same                                                               
inflation rate  - so  that $5  is decreased  to a  smaller number                                                               
going  further and  further into  the future  for the  purpose of                                                               
calculating production  tax.  It  is also assumed that  this will                                                               
be  a  single stand-alone  company,  thereby  avoiding issues  of                                                               
blended taxes.   As well,  DOR is  not considering any  impact on                                                               
the current  producers within  the North Slope  and how  it might                                                               
impact their taxes.   It is a simplifying mechanism,  but the net                                                               
effect  is   roughly  the  same   no  matter  how  it   is  done.                                                               
Additionally, if  companies are operating  in the red  during the                                                               
early years  - spending  money and not  yet producing  - Alaska's                                                               
tax system considers that to be  net operating loss and the state                                                               
currently  reimburses those  as  a 35  percent  credit under  the                                                               
carry forward  annual loss credit.   That  is seen as  a negative                                                               
cash flow  to the state  during some of  the early years  of this                                                               
project.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER  discussed  slide 16,  "Assumptions:    Fiscal  (Other                                                               
Taxes)."   He said the  corporate income tax is  an apportionment                                                               
formula  that  works  out  to  be about  6.5  percent  of  after-                                                               
production tax profits,  and DOR used that 6.5  percent number in                                                               
this analysis.  Corporate income  tax cannot be negative or zero,                                                               
so  there  is  no  carry  forward.   For  property  tax,  current                                                               
collections are about  $1.25 per produced barrel, but  that is an                                                               
aggregate.   These  numbers are  shared  with local  jurisdiction                                                               
because nearly  all the associated  infrastructure is  within the                                                               
North Slope  Borough.   The current  apportionment is  about 92.5                                                               
percent  to  the  borough  for comparable  assets,  so  only  7.5                                                               
percent of that $1.25 goes to the state.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:55:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER then  turned to slide 17 to review  the total projected                                                               
volume of  oil produced  and the total  projected net  revenue to                                                               
the  state for  the study  period  of 2016-2075,  based upon  the                                                               
aforementioned  assumptions  and  caveats.   Regarding  projected                                                               
total volume, he  reported that 7.1 billion barrels  of oil would                                                               
be produced under this model at  the base case; at the high case,                                                               
which is  considered 5  percent likely, it  would be  9.7 billion                                                               
barrels;  and at  the low  case, which  is considered  95 percent                                                               
likely, it  would be  4.5 billion  barrels.   Regarding projected                                                               
total net revenue  in constant 2015 dollars,  he reported [$94.8]                                                               
billion  at low  case, $210  billion  at high  case, [and  $150.9                                                               
billion at base case] over the 50 years of production.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER displayed  slide  18 to  show  how the  aforementioned                                                               
[hypothetical]  production volume  would look  in graph  form for                                                               
the low, base, and  high cases.  He pointed out  that in the base                                                               
case (blue  line), production peaks  at 550,000 barrels a  day in                                                               
the  early 2040s,  which is  roughly  the size  of current  North                                                               
Slope  production,  and then  production  declines  in the  years                                                               
after that.   In the high case [green line],  production peaks at                                                               
over 700,000  barrels a day  and in the  low case [red  line] the                                                               
production peak  is about  350,000 barrels  a day.   He  moved to                                                               
slide 19  to present a  production graph  for the base  case that                                                               
shows the volumes of the 25 fields layered on top of each other.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:57:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE JOSEPHSON  referenced slide 18 and  concluded that                                                               
DOR's projections for the refuge are  that it will be larger than                                                               
Kuparuk but smaller than Prudhoe Bay.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  replied the  Arctic National  Wildlife Refuge  is many                                                               
small  fields, so  in  aggregate  it would  produce  oil that  is                                                               
larger at  its peak  than Kuparuk and  smaller than  Prudhoe Bay.                                                               
He would  be cautious, he  advised, to  say it is  larger because                                                               
there is no single accumulation  within the refuge presumed to be                                                               
at  that type  of field.   In  the high  case the  largest single                                                               
field is in the level of one to two billion barrels in place.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON inquired  why it  is projected  that it                                                               
would take 10  years from discovery to production  given there is                                                               
already  a  pipeline  in  place,   unlike  during  Prudhoe  Bay's                                                               
development from 1967-1977.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER responded DOR used certain  estimates from the EIA.  He                                                               
said he is not  an engineer and will not speculate  too far as to                                                               
how that  might go.  Permitting  is different than it  was in the                                                               
late 1960s and  early 1970s.  The 1969 discovery  was at the tail                                                               
end  of an  exploration period  where  people had  been up  there                                                               
looking  for oil  for several  years.   Built-in  within that  10                                                               
years  is  the  initial  offering   of  leases  and  the  initial                                                               
exploration  that  might  lead  to  a  discovery.    Between  the                                                               
discovery  and  first  production   is  only  about  four  years,                                                               
basically  the  construction time  of  getting  the field  itself                                                               
developed  and the  feeder pipeline.   The  Point Thomson  feeder                                                               
line that  is in place can  handle about 70,000 barrels  per day.                                                               
So, if the volumes started  increasing to the substantial numbers                                                               
DOR is  talking about, it  would take  a new and  larger pipeline                                                               
going all the way back to Prudhoe Bay.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:59:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER provided  the projected  lease  expenditures in  graph                                                               
form [slide 20], with the  spending broken into the categories of                                                               
startup   capital,   ongoing   capital,  operating   costs,   and                                                               
exploration capital.   He said these very  large spending numbers                                                               
will have  massive economic impact within  Alaska, with corporate                                                               
spending being between $4 and $7 billion a year for many years.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER displayed  what state revenue would look  like in graph                                                               
form  for  the base  case  scenario  [slide  21].   He  explained                                                               
exploration  spending  would  begin  in  2019  according  to  the                                                               
assumptions, but without any  production these early expenditures                                                               
would be eligible  for the net carry forward  annual loss credit.                                                               
Once  oil production  starts, royalty  revenue  and property  tax                                                               
would begin, and  several years' later revenues  would begin from                                                               
production tax and state corporate  income tax.  In constant 2015                                                               
dollars, revenues  would reach  a maximum  of about  $4.5 billion                                                               
per year, tapering down slowly to  about $3.5 billion per year in                                                               
the far out years of the study period.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER turned  to  slides 22  and  23 to  break  out the  key                                                               
components of  revenue in the base  case scenario.  He  noted the                                                               
red curve for royalties  on slide 22 is the same  as the red band                                                               
within  the mixed  curve on  slide 21.   He  pointed out  that 75                                                               
percent of  this oil  is federal  oil; of  that federal  oil, the                                                               
state is getting  90 percent of the royalty.   Should the royalty                                                               
split  be  different,  then  this red  curve  would  be  somewhat                                                               
smaller,  although it  would not  in any  way change  any of  the                                                               
other economics.   Also, whatever  the number is within  this red                                                               
area, 25  percent of that  number goes directly to  the permanent                                                               
fund; in  other words,  the red curve  is all  royalty, including                                                               
royalty that will go to the  permanent fund.  Moving to slide 23,                                                               
he discussed the component of  production tax revenue in the base                                                               
case scenario.   He drew attention to the credits  [that would be                                                               
paid out  by the state] in  the early years, but  noted large tax                                                               
revenues would  be realized once  there is substantial  levels of                                                               
production.  Production  tax [net of all credits]  would be $1.5-                                                               
$2 billion per year [from about 2038-2075].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:02:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  displayed slide 24,  explaining it  is a graph  of all                                                               
the components of  state revenue for the high case  scenario.  He                                                               
noted that  in the high case  the amounts of oil  are larger, but                                                               
all the other assumptions, such as  the cost per barrel and price                                                               
of  oil, are  the  same.   Therefore,  the  revenues are  another                                                               
couple hundred billion dollars higher.   Drawing attention to the                                                               
graph on  slide 25, he  said it is  the same components  of state                                                               
revenue but for  the low case scenario.  The  lower amount of oil                                                               
results  in  less revenue,  but  the  revenue amounts  are  still                                                               
substantial for many years into the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER moved to slide 26,  stating DOR also did an analysis of                                                               
state revenue  at a higher oil  price of $140 per  barrel instead                                                               
of $110.  He  pointed out that the costs upfront  - the credits -                                                               
are  the same,  but  revenue in  the out  years  is much  higher,                                                               
peaking at about  $7 billion per year in the  base case scenario.                                                               
However,  he continued  while turning  to  slide 27,  if the  oil                                                               
price  is low  [$80 per  barrel in  the base  case scenario],  it                                                               
becomes  a  constrained  project  where the  state  may  not  see                                                               
sufficient revenues  to warrant the investment  undertaken by the                                                               
state.   He qualified that an  oil price of $80  going forward to                                                               
60  years  from  now  seems  a  very  unlikely  scenario  to  him                                                               
personally, but DOR  wanted to provide both high  and low numbers                                                               
to provide a sense of what the state's potential options.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:03:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER addressed slide 28,  saying other benefits would accrue                                                               
to  the state  besides money  once the  Arctic National  Wildlife                                                               
Refuge property  is developed.   The first benefit would  be gas.                                                               
In addition to the billions  of dollars in revenue from producing                                                               
and  developing that  gas, the  life  of the  Alaska LNG  Project                                                               
would be extended by  decades.  Because a lot of  the AK LNG core                                                               
infrastructure  would have  already  been paid  for, this  second                                                               
generation of gas  would be even more profitable  than the first.                                                               
The benefit  to the  Alaska economy of  the base  case investment                                                               
spending  of  almost   $7  billion  per  year   would  be  almost                                                               
incalculable.     The  state's  economy  would   be  tremendously                                                               
increased,  as would  the number  of jobs  for many,  many years.                                                               
Another benefit would  be extending the life  of the Trans-Alaska                                                               
Pipeline  System   (TAPS).    These  hundreds   of  thousands  of                                                               
additional barrels of oil would  set aside for another generation                                                               
the  issue of  when  TAPS is  not  going to  have  enough oil  to                                                               
operate  economically.    Lastly  are  the  local  benefits;  for                                                               
example, the  North Slope  Borough would be  looking at  a couple                                                               
hundred million  dollars just  within the  borough every  year in                                                               
property tax revenue.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER, speaking to slide  29, urged committee members to keep                                                               
in mind that this  is just one possible view.  It  is by no means                                                               
a  projection, and  not  a forecast.    It is  a  model based  on                                                               
parameters that DOR came up  with that were reasonable based upon                                                               
the best  available information.   What could be produced  over a                                                               
60-year  period is  entirely dependent  on  someone finding  oil,                                                               
that oil  being producible, and  being able  to bring the  oil to                                                               
market under  the terms  and conditions  that DOR  imagined here.                                                               
Actual development  could happen  faster or slower.   He  made it                                                               
clear that  DOR does  not currently  include any  Arctic National                                                               
Wildlife  Refuge  production  or revenue  inside  DOR's  official                                                               
forecasts.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:05:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR said she appreciates  seeing the analyses for                                                               
high and  low oil  prices, but  noted today's  oil price  is $55.                                                               
She inquired whether DOR has run the numbers for a price of $55.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  replied DOR  has not specifically  run the  numbers at                                                               
$55.  He offered his expectation  that given the cost of bringing                                                               
this oil to  market, including the remote location,  it might not                                                               
pencil out  very well if  it was found that  $55 was going  to be                                                               
the  price of  oil for  decades.   The DOR  Revenue Sources  Book                                                               
anticipates this price will hold for  a year or so and then there                                                               
will be a  recovery by 2017 to something more  like what was seen                                                               
in recent years before the $55.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE TARR  posed a scenario  in which one of  the three                                                               
major North Slope producers becomes  involved in producing on the                                                               
Arctic  National  Wildlife  Refuge.   She  asked  whether  during                                                               
development  the  producer  would  be   able  to  apply  the  net                                                               
operating  loss  credits against  its  other  production tax  for                                                               
other oil revenue.  She further  asked whether that would cause a                                                               
shift in the state's other oil revenue receipts if this is done.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER responded  that if development was done  by the current                                                               
suite  of producers  in the  North Slope,  rather than  by a  new                                                               
company, the  expenditure would  result in  a spending  offset to                                                               
their profits  for their  other production  within Alaska,  not a                                                               
carry forward annual  loss credit.  It would be  a savings at the                                                               
same  rate -  a 35  cent  on the  dollar reduction  in their  tax                                                               
liability, which the  state would see on the  revenue side rather                                                               
than  on the  expenditure side.   Should  the spending  drive the                                                               
companies to  a place  where they are  no longer  profitable, the                                                               
companies would  have to carry the  loss on their books  and hold                                                               
it against a future year's  tax liability because a large company                                                               
in Alaska  is not  eligible to  get a  carry forward  annual loss                                                               
credit reimbursed  in cash.  So  it would shift some  of the cash                                                               
flow to  the right a  little bit, but  the net effect  in dollars                                                               
would be roughly the same.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAN STICKEL, Assistant Chief  Economist, Tax Division, Department                                                               
of  Revenue (DOR),  added that,  for this  analysis, DOR  did not                                                               
make any distinction between existing  producer and new producer.                                                               
It was  just the question, What  is the net fiscal  impact to the                                                               
state?  It is a 35 percent credit and that is what is shown.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:09:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, regarding  the slides depicting components                                                               
of  revenue, inquired  whether [the  net  operating loss  credit]                                                               
would be a cumulative outflow  from state revenue of about $9-$10                                                               
billion.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  answered "more  or less."   Looking  at the  graph, he                                                               
said it would be  a large cost to the state  because of the large                                                               
capital  spending and,  under  current law,  the  state would  be                                                               
reimbursing 35 cents  on the dollar.  For example,  for a company                                                               
coming to Alaska and spending  $5 billion, the state's 35 percent                                                               
reimbursement to that company would be $1.75 billion.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON, presuming a  mix of developers, calculated                                                               
the state could  be looking at reducing those  taxes payable from                                                               
other oil and gas production to  near zero, as well as looking at                                                               
reimbursement in  the credits  for the  net operating  loss carry                                                               
forward in  the following year.   He asked  whether a mix  of new                                                               
and  existing players  could result  in diminishing  then-current                                                               
revenue from oil taxes, as well  as the state being liable to new                                                               
players for quite large directly  reimbursable credits, like what                                                               
is being played out under the Point Thomson development.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER replied  the number on the graph on  slide 21, which is                                                               
roughly  consistent in  the other  scenarios, is  a sum  total of                                                               
what Representative  Seaton is describing  as a mix  of companies                                                               
doing  the  work.    For   those  companies  that  are  incumbent                                                               
producers  having  other ongoing  profits  in  Alaska, the  state                                                               
would see it as  a reduction from tax.  For  the new players, the                                                               
state would see it as a credit  paid out.  However, the sum total                                                               
would be the number seen on the chart.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON calculated that,  depending upon the mix of                                                               
developers, the  state could  possibly not  have any  income from                                                               
production tax  and only a small  amount from royalty.   He asked                                                               
whether,  depending  upon the  mix,  the  state  could get  in  a                                                               
situation  where it  didn't have  any income  or had  very little                                                               
income, and would still have the expenses of the other portion.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER  responded Representative  Seaton  is  looking at  the                                                               
early  years   of  a  massive   project  where  there   would  be                                                               
potentially  large cash  outflows to  the state.   That  would be                                                               
something the  state would have  to find a mechanism  to finance,                                                               
or  absorb, with  the understanding  and  expectation that  there                                                               
would be quite larger revenues  coming to the state several years                                                               
afterwards when  these oil  fields are under  production.   It is                                                               
not terribly different from what  is currently being discussed on                                                               
the  gas pipeline  where  the  state is  going  to  have a  major                                                               
investment component  in the early  years and a major  tax impact                                                               
because of  some of the  work that's going  to need to  happen to                                                               
enable  the gas  pipeline to  get built,  yet the  expectation is                                                               
that the  billion dollars  of annual revenue  that comes  in once                                                               
over that hump.  There will, he said, most definitely be hump.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:13:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON pointed  out that  in today's  scenario                                                               
the  state  is  bringing  in apparently  about  $2.5  billion  of                                                               
revenue in the  current fiscal year and will have  a $3.5 billion                                                               
deficit.   He recalled that  this year the  legislature's experts                                                               
have talked  about revenue of  $3.5 billion  from a gasline.   He                                                               
posited that if  the state had a gasline and  production from the                                                               
Arctic  National Wildlife  Refuge  at the  same  time, the  state                                                               
would be  able to sock away  billions of dollars every  year.  He                                                               
inquired whether that is possible.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ALPER answered  the expense  side of  the state's  ledger is                                                               
beyond what was done in this  analysis.  But, yes, he allowed, it                                                               
does seem like  a tremendous amount of money that  will be coming                                                               
into the state at that point in the future.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:15:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  observed on  slide 13 that  the assumption                                                               
for development  capital expenditures is  $10 per barrel  over an                                                               
8-year  development  timeline,  the  assumption  for  maintenance                                                               
capital expenditures  is $5  per produced  barrel each  year, and                                                               
the  assumption for  operating cost  is $20  per produced  barrel                                                               
each  year.   He  asked  whether  these  figures are  within  the                                                               
ballpark of where  the state is now at a  $25 net operating cost,                                                               
the  $20 operating  cost plus  the  $5 maintenance.   He  further                                                               
asked whether that is the cost  scenario range that the state has                                                               
in the current production tax or profit-based tax.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER replied the  $20, $5, and $10 add up to  a total of $35                                                               
per barrel in lease expenditure, which  is in the ballpark and is                                                               
actually a little low for what is  being seen right now.  It must                                                               
be realized  that what  is happening  right now  is not  just the                                                               
operation  of current  fields  but the  development  of some  new                                                               
large fields that  aren't producing anything yet  and those costs                                                               
get absorbed  into the  totals.  The  $10 per  barrel development                                                               
capital expense  on slide  13 represents  working on  next year's                                                               
oil field  while building  this year's oil  field.   These things                                                               
are  all happening  at  the same  time  so it  ends  up being  an                                                               
aggregate number that  roughly lines up with what  is the current                                                               
spending in  the North  Slope.   The North  Slope is  pretty much                                                               
used as the model by DOR.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SEATON drew  attention to  the 35  percent credit                                                               
depicted on slide 21, saying he  doesn't see any costs related to                                                               
production tax as those new fields  come on.  He inquired whether                                                               
he is  misinterpreting that or  whether it is a  subtraction from                                                               
the aggregate of production tax received by the state.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER displayed slide 20  to respond, explaining it shows the                                                               
industry investment  totals.  A  big bump in capital  spending is                                                               
seen in  the early  years, primarily  because the  largest fields                                                               
are  developed first  and  the largest  fields  have the  highest                                                               
capital  investment component  to  them.   In  those early  years                                                               
production is  small or nonexistent.   The outflow of  cash [from                                                               
the  state]  represents  that large  capital  expenditure  before                                                               
there  are substantial  amounts  of revenue  and production,  and                                                               
that is cashed out to the developer at 35 cents on the dollar.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:18:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  TARR recalled  that oil  prices peaked  at almost                                                               
$150 around 2008, but was around  $60 just before that, and today                                                               
the  price is  $55.   She asked  how DOR  accounts for  that much                                                               
price fluctuation when modeling for a 60-year time period.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  answered that,  without running  a very  different and                                                               
more  complex  modeling,  DOR  cannot.   What  was  considered  a                                                               
reasonable,  average number  was chosen  and taken  forward.   He                                                               
recalled that Mr.  Barry Pulliam of Econ One  Research was before                                                               
the committee several years ago  to talk about his expectation of                                                               
long-term oil  prices.   Mr. Pulliam made  a compelling  case for                                                               
$80 and $130 being a long-term  low and high, $80 being the point                                                               
at which much of the  more marginal current production might fall                                                               
off for  being uneconomical and $130  at which a bunch  of really                                                               
new production  might come  on line.   Mr. Pulliam  anticipated a                                                               
relatively stable time bouncing  within that range going forward,                                                               
and  $110 conveniently  falls within  that and  also conveniently                                                               
lines  up with  DOR's own  long-term  projections.   There is  no                                                               
magic  to this,  he added,  and the  one thing  he can  guarantee                                                               
about this  presentation is that  DOR is wrong  - it will  not be                                                               
exactly what has been put before the committee.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:20:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SEATON  recalled some consultants  were expressing                                                               
concern that under existing scenarios  the state could be looking                                                               
at not making  any money from some  of the fields over  time.  He                                                               
surmised that  while slide 21  doesn't include net  present value                                                               
of  the money  expended and  the money  received, DOR's  analysis                                                               
looks at this  as being a profitable deal for  the state over the                                                               
operating length of the fields.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ALPER  replied yes, explaining  DOR also assumed  roughly the                                                               
same  economic  profile for  each  of  the 25  different  fields,                                                               
meaning  the same  cost per  barrel  for the  smaller versus  the                                                               
larger fields.  In real  life, however, variation is expected due                                                               
to geological  differences, some  fields being  more constrained,                                                               
and some that are more capital  intense.  So, it is possible that                                                               
some  of  the conditions  being  talked  about by  Representative                                                               
Seaton  might  come into  play.    Some  of the  inherently  less                                                               
profitable fields  might not  pencil out for  the state  and they                                                               
might not  get developed  because they don't  pencil out  for the                                                               
producer either.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:21:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no  further business before the  committee, the House                                                               
Resources Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 3:22 p.m.                                                                 

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
2.23.15 DNR ANWR HSE RES.pdf HRES 2/23/2015 1:00:00 PM
2.23.15 DOR ANWR HSE RES.pdf HRES 2/23/2015 1:00:00 PM
2.23.15 EIA ANWR Report 5-08 HSE RES.pdf HRES 2/23/2015 1:00:00 PM
2.23.15 USGS ANWR Resource Study 2005 HSE RES.pdf HRES 2/23/2015 1:00:00 PM